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WHO advises people over 60, + those with comorbidity factors......and 61 passengers tested positive.

MsHighAltitude

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We get most of our covid info from governments and the medical profession, so I found this item an interesting view of the longer term, especially if you are thinking it will be all over soon ... or anytime
Life insurers adapt pandemic risk models after claims jump
(Reuters, 5 min read)

If you are time constrained you could skip down to CRYSTAL BALL-GAZING
Interesting indeed. The insurance industry tends to err on the conservative side. Nevertheless it's fascinating to see all the different scenarios they come up with. On the other hand, Delta is expecting travel demand to rebound in about 2 months. It's impressive that they usually release earnings in about two weeks--takes 3 for the other two. I wonder if that has anything to do with their respective financial conditions, given that Delta is strongest of the three? Or maybe a lot of bean counters in Atlanta burned a lot of midnight oil in the past two weeks. 😆
 

Zeede

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Life insurance actuaries are the most data-driven people you'll ever meet. They couldn't possibly care less about politics; it's purely the numbers for them. If you ever get to meet one, have a coffee with them. It's so fascinating to talk to them!
 

affinity4aviation

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We get most of our covid info from governments and the medical profession, so I found this item an interesting view of the longer term, especially if you are thinking it will be all over soon ... or anytime
Life insurers adapt pandemic risk models after claims jump
(Reuters, 5 min read)

If you are time constrained, you could skip down to CRYSTAL BALL-GAZING
Merci! Interesting; their work is cut out for them w/ changing dynamics + verifying the veracity of some claims + in large volume. Not a biz I'd want to be in; but their skills are admirable.
Once in a while a nefarious case appears on TV.
Across the pond, you more sophisticated Brits don't get your info. from Tatler (just kidding) + social media?! ;) There's a large surge of the virus locally, no surprise due to the holidays! Avoiding The Petri Dish (in jest,) aka pub, + am ready to put my limited skills to use in a friend's plane, as a side kick, while he's mostly PIC! You all inspire.
 
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affinity4aviation

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My concern is that it's going to keep bouncing, most probably each winter when, as recently with Omicron, a variant hatched over the summer gets into the wintering population.
Then everything goes to pot again, and travel becomes unattractive .:mad:
Covid fatigue + its mutations aren't expeditiously disappearing. Folks desire to travel + will go for it + getting back to a more normal, less limited, lifestyle. Airlines will be on the upswing + fewer cancellations as more recertified pilots are avail.! Time to go flying! Sonerai Airways, are you ready to be PIC?! :D
 
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Plague

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So, across the pond, you more sophisticated Brits don't get your info. from Tattler + social media?! ;)
Info? :ROFLMAO:
The Tatler is not a name I've heard in years. It is/was a 'society' magazine, so never in my interest zone.
Social media is a major source of ... stuff over here too, though TBH things like anti-vax, flat earth, UFOs and various conspiracy theories are global, so it's probably the same trash you get anyway.

Looks like Omicron has peaked over here now, though it's still very widespread (about 1 in 20 people are infected). Latest data shows that if you have cold-like symptoms it's slightly more likely to be Omicron - but also that if you have Omicron it's likely to be worse than cold-like. If you see what I mean. Fortunately the vaccines are protecting the vulnerable, so hospitalisations and deaths are staying at, er ... tolerable levels.
 

Plague

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My take is that covid fatigue has come full circle. Folks will desire to travel + will go for it + have adventures despite the mutations.
Yes and no.
Many people will get out there almost regardless of risk, but governments may still restrict travel if they feel that (eg) healthcare is at risk.
Another aspect is that a large proportion of leisure travel is by retired people who have the time and regular, secure income to indulge. Cruises for example. They are also the high risk group and could be spooked by (eg) a variant that evades current vaccines and causes more illness.
So although I agree that (international) travel will head toward some more 'normal' levels over the next few months I won't be surprised to see some significant bumps over the next few years.
 

affinity4aviation

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Yes and no.
Many people will get out there almost regardless of risk, but governments may still restrict travel if they feel that (eg) healthcare is at risk.
Another aspect is that a large proportion of leisure travel is by retired people who have the time and regular, secure income to indulge. Cruises for example. They are also the high risk group and could be spooked by (eg) a variant that evades current vaccines and causes more illness.
So although I agree that (international) travel will head toward some more 'normal' levels over the next few months I won't be surprised to see some significant bumps over the next few years.
Maybe smaller, more semi-private cruises will be on the upswing, altho the price differential vs. huge cruise ships is a consideration. Cruise ships + the pandemic is an oxymoron; many variables at play. Private jet flights are up over 40%. NetJets must be busy!
 
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affinity4aviation

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Info? :ROFLMAO:
The Tatler is not a name I've heard in years. It is/was a 'society' magazine, so never in my interest zone.
Social media is a major source of ... stuff over here too, though TBH things like anti-vax, flat earth, UFOs and various conspiracy theories are global, so it's probably the same trash you get anyway.

Looks like Omicron has peaked over here now, though it's still very widespread (about 1 in 20 people are infected). Latest data shows that if you have cold-like symptoms it's slightly more likely to be Omicron - but also that if you have Omicron it's likely to be worse than cold-like. If you see what I mean. Fortunately, the vaccines are protecting the vulnerable, so hospitalisations and deaths are staying at, er ... tolerable levels.
Tatler was my joke re useless media info. Omicron: Sounds like it peaked in Britian earlier than here locally. The Supreme Court just ruled that President Biden can't mandate the vaccination in the workplace. It's against our Constitution. Many people were saying that was a form of Socialism. Yet many lost their jobs or quit due to that mandate. It's caused a lot of workplace stress, esp. in healthcare where most employers require the vaccination.
 
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Plague

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Supreme Court just ruled that Biden can't mandate the vaccination in the workplace. It's against our Constitution. Yet many lost their jobs or quit due to that mandate. It's caused a lot of workplace stress for some people who don't want the vaccine.
I don't think government dictated vaccination is workable in any country. There isn't enough trust for it.
At the private employer or venue level I think it's OK as people do have a (theoretical at least) choice to go elsewhere, but it's still a bit of an ethical minefield.
It's like smoking was a decade or two back, so in time maybe most people will come round to accepting it is a thing we do, or just die out.
Not hopeful though :(

(I just watched the Netflix film 'Don't look up'. Nice satire on the pandemic :) )
 
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affinity4aviation

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I don't think government dictated vaccination is workable in any country. There isn't enough trust for it.
At the private employer or venue level I think it's OK as people do have a (theoretical at least) choice to go elsewhere, but it's still a bit of an ethical minefield.
It's like smoking was a decade or two back, so in time maybe most people will come round to accepting it is a thing we do, or just die out.
Not hopeful though :(

(I just watched the Netflix film 'Don't look up'. Nice satire on the pandemic :) )
Unfortunately, the U.S. federal gov't can do a lot of things + get away with it, that no other business can. (ie. the IRS makes people who prove the IRS wrong, pay their own attorney fees. Proving them 100% wrong + winning your case, does not allow you to get refunded for those expensive attorney fees.)
 
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