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Siris

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Yes because the reason you'll usually be held is that another aircraft is cleared for the approach ahead of you. So like landings at towered airports only one aircraft is cleared for the full approach at a time. If the approach is open they'll just clear you straight into it with at most the procedural turn being required as far as a hold might go. And that approach is also held for you until you close your flight plan if you're at an uncontrolledly airport, so don't forget to give them a call either just before (visibility permitting of course) or right after you are on the ground or you'll have some very irritated people behind you. You can deviate from the time constraints too if you reach bingo fuel but that is basically an emergency situation at that point.
 

Zeede

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Thank you very much!

About ahead of schedule when lost comm, technically one is supposed to leave the clearance limit and start the approach, or leave the CL and head to a fix where the approach starts, as close as possible to EFC or ETA if no EFC. But would people really hold at the CL if they get there early, considering ATC has us on radar pretty much all the time now? What's your take?

Also there are two radios in the plane. If both were to fail, the problem might be bigger than lost comm. Checkride aside, a lot of us have headsets with Bluetooth built in and there might still be cell phone reception at 6000'. For general aviation I would avoid single pilot IMC ops and flying without a handheld.
If you're on lost comms and you were expected to hold somewhere until a specific time, that is what you should do. Because you're squawking 7600, they will clear aircraft out of your way, but you have to do your part and fly as they expect you to, which includes *when* they expect you to.

Another way of thinking about it is that if you weren't on lost comms, they would still be expecting you to arrive when filed, and so they've possibly sequenced other traffic around that expectation.
 

Happy_cfi

Member
Thank you very much!

About ahead of schedule when lost comm, technically one is supposed to leave the clearance limit and start the approach, or leave the CL and head to a fix where the approach starts, as close as possible to EFC or ETA if no EFC. But would people really hold at the CL if they get there early, considering ATC has us on radar pretty much all the time now? What's your take?

Also there are two radios in the plane. If both were to fail, the problem might be bigger than lost comm. Checkride aside, a lot of us have headsets with Bluetooth built in and there might still be cell phone reception at 6000'. For general aviation I would avoid single pilot IMC ops and flying without a handheld.
Having that Bluetooth headset and a backup hand held radio is always useful. I've talked to controllers who said that if you arrive a bit early to the CL, they prefer that you just go to the IAF and shoot an approach so that you're out of the way. They want you on the ground about as much as you do at that point. If they don't have radar, then it is very important for their timing that you follow the regs to a T.
 
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